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Bank of America Declaration

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I’m a little late to the show on this one, but I left BofA about 3 years ago and haven’t looked back.

Bank of America Declaration

Our actions to restore our nation to its original founding principles are coming to a crossroads. We have been divided in our efforts through an inability to focus upon one issue as a whole. Most of our efforts have been (and still are) focused on the 2012 elections and political ideologies. Our nation was founded on Liberty, not political power and agendas. We need a tangible goal now to show that patriots (not partisans) still control our destiny. One goal, one victory will show that We the People are in control of Liberty’s future.
We believe that the recent events surrounding the Bank of America can become this goal to win our first battle. This institution has decided that the 2nd amendment of the Constitution of the United States is not in line with their bank’s code of ethics. We understand that this amendment’s purpose was to protect us from an abusive government. It appears that they feel it may be used to protect us from abusive financial institutions as well. And they may be correct: the distinction between government and financial institutions in our country is gone.
The Bank of America is the country’s largest bank with assets of $2.3 trillion. This bank currently has $75 trillion in credit derivatives.
Here is a list of additional grievances:
This financial institution has been found guilty of laundering South American drug money in 2006 ($7.5 million settlement).
They received $20 billion in US Treasury support with an additional $118 billion government backstop to buy Merrill Lynch.
They failed to properly disclose employee bonuses and financial losses at Merrill Lynch before shareholders approved the merger of the companies: $150 million settlement with the SEC.
Bank of America Illegally Foreclosed on Active Service Members’ Homes. Settlement agreement was $20 million.
Their purchase of Countrywide resulted in a loss of $65 billion to stockholders.
They paid $335 million to settle Countrywide’s housing discrimination claims.
They paid $410 million to settle a class-action lawsuit affecting more than 13 million Bank of America customers who accused the bank of charging excessive overdraft fees for electronic transactions.
Bank of America moved approximately $18 trillion worth of derivative obligations from Merrill Lynch and the BAC holding company to the FDIC insured retail deposit division. This transfers the risk from the bank to the taxpayers since the FDIC cannot cover this amount.
Their executives are major donors to the president’s reelection campaign.
The president will give his acceptance speech for the Democrat nomination for president at the Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte.
Warren Buffett injected $5 billion into Bank of America for special considerations for stock warrants and a 6% annual return for ten years. This bank’s regular personal savings account pays 0.05% annually.
We propose the following actions to be taken immediately:
1. Close out any personal or business accounts with Bank of America.
2. If you are a business, do not accept their debit or credit cards for purchases.
3. Sell your personal stock in this bank.
4. If your retirement or mutual fund owns stock in this bank, request that they divest it from their portfolios.
5. Help spread this effort in any manner that you can.
6. Fill out the form at this link showing what actions you took based on this project.
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Craig Scott Cavanaugh ( Keep It Simple Survival )
Justin Combs ( The Arctic Patriot )
T.L. Davis ( TL In Exile )
David DeGerolamo ( NCRenegade )
Michael Lewis Downing ( Liberty & Preparedness )
Sam Kerodin ( III Percent Patriots )
Bill Nye ( SAN JACINTO COUNTY OUTLAW )
Richard Dallas Timm ( THE DORKFISH EXPRESS )
William Brock Townsend ( Free North Carolina )
Peter White ( Western Rifle Shooters Association )

Individual Signatories in order of their acceptance of this declaration:

John Robert Mallernee (OUR ETERNAL STRUGGLE)
Tom Baugh (Starving the Monkeys)
Additional updates HERE
Robert Alan Sweet (Looking In The Mirror)
Russell D. Longcore (DumpDC)
Teresa Sue Delight Hoke House (Traditions & Skills of Everyday Life)
DH Pence (The Lizard Farmer)
Mark Roote (Random Thoughts from Nobody)

Business signatories in order of acceptance of this declaration:
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Conversation about rights.

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I was having a conversation at work the other day with someone that I consider a friend. We were talking about personal security and why I carry a gun openly, and he was trying to make me feel bad about scaring people (the little old lady in line behind me at the store, etc.) He asked me how many times I have had to use it since I started carrying. When I said never, he asked me what the chances of needing it were in civilized society.
And then he walked away to get his coffee. The conversation and his attitude upset me enough to write the following email:

From: Roote, Mark
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:38 AM
To:
Subject: this is civilized society?

Statistic for places that I go regularly enough to be concerned about:
Berwick crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 9 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Clarks Summit crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 2 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Dallas Township crime statistics report an overall downward trend in crime based on data from 5 years with violent crime decreasing and property crime increasing.
Dalton crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 2 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Duryea crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 2 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Forty Fort crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 5 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Hanover crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 11 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Harrisburg crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 10 years with violent crime increasing and property crime decreasing.
Harveys Lake crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 2 years with violent crime decreasing and property crime increasing.
Hazleton crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 7 years with violent crime increasing and property crime decreasing.
Jermyn crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 4 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Kingston Township crime statistics report an overall downward trend in crime based on data from 5 years with violent crime increasing and property crime decreasing.
Larksville crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 3 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Meshoppen crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 2 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Moosic crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 5 years with violent crime decreasing and property crime increasing.
West Pittston crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 5 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.
Wilkes-Barre Township crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 5 years with violent crime decreasing and property crime increasing.
Wyoming crime statistics report an overall downward trend in crime based on data from 4 years with violent crime decreasing and property crime increasing.
Scranton crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 9 years with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing.

OK, so those are statistics, you can see that there is an upward trend in smaller towns near us. I also know I left several out, but if they showed an overall downward trend with violent crimes and property crimes both decreasing I left them out (and I’m sure there are some that I didn’t even look at).
Here are a couple of stories from recent new around us:
Edwardsville shooting victims ID’d – so there was a shooting Wednesday night in Edwardsville.
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From the Times Leader’s Police Blotter:
– Victoria Lopez reported someone kicked in a door to her apartment in Hanover Village and stole items. The burglary occurred sometime in the last three weeks.
– Police are investigating a robbery of an 82-year-old woman whose purse was stolen from her on Mine Street at about 3:35 p.m. Tuesday. A dark-skinned male, about 5 feet, 6 inches tall wearing a blue hooded sweatshirt, grabbed the purse from the woman, who fought her attacker. She suffered an injury to her arm, police said.
– Police are investigating an armed robbery at the Turkey Hill on Alter Street at 3:53 a.m. Wednesday. A white male, 5 feet, 8 inches tall and about 200 pounds, wearing a black knit hat, black pants and a long sleeve shirt, got away with an undetermined amount of cash. The suspect brandished a handgun, police said.

And here’s a good place to keep an eye on violent mobs, but here are some reports from within PA this year:
59 year old man robbed by 8 males, one w/ handgun (Harrisburg, PA – 4/21/12)
Man walking home from work attacked by six kids aged 11-14 (Pittsburgh, PA – 2/24/12)
College student in Center City assaulted as taxi cab attacked while stopped at red light (Philadelphia, PA – 1/28/12)

And don’t forget the kid that was attacked by someone with a machete while he was walking away from school (GAR) back in February.

So, after all of that, you’re going to tell me that statistically I shouldn’t worry about my safety? I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with you. It is my responsibility to protect myself and my family (multiple supreme courts have ruled that the police have no legal duty to protect… not to mention that they are almost never around when they are needed… “when seconds count, the police are only minutes away”). If you are comfortable playing the odds, go for it. I am not comfortable with that. I am fully aware that bad things happen unexpectedly and there is evil in the world. My gun is part of my insurance plan. This insurance plan has multiple parts to it, including avoiding places that I think are dangerous if at all possible.
The fact that anyone, whether it be you or some little old lady in line behind me at the checkout, is afraid of me simply for carrying an inanimate object, it’s not my problem. Humans are born with the right (and responsibility) of self defense. If you choose not to exercise that right it’s your prerogative and I won’t hold it against you. You have no authority to restrict my rights to self defense, period. I don’t care whether it makes you uncomfortable or not. Seeing two gay guys go at it makes me uncomfortable, and a lot of things that the media says (when they can be proven as lies) makes me uncomfortable, but I’m not trying to restrict their rights to free choice or speech.
The next time you think about restricting my rights, any of them, not just my right to bear arms, replace the right you want to restrict from me with the right to free speech and see how reasonable it sounds. In addition to my firearms being protected by the 2A, my right to free expression is being threatened. My openly carried sidearm is a warning, would you be more comfortable with me wearing/carrying a sign that says “I have a gun and I know how to use it”? I think that would cause more fear than actually openly carrying, but in the end, I DON’T CARE if it instills fear in “innocent” people… and I have no obligation to care. I am armed to protect myself and others that I see that need help, if anyone doesn’t like it they can tell me about it, but I have no obligation to give anyone a “warm and fuzzy” feeling. The world is a hard place. Either a person recognizes that and does everything they can to prepare for it or they don’t. I choose to prepare.
Also, “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others.” ~Thomas Jefferson. Roughly, that boils down to: You have the right to Freedom OF Religion, not freedom FROM religion. This same rule applies to absolutely every other human right. You have freedom OF, not freedom FROM.

Sorry for the long email, but this is a very touchy subject for me on so many levels. No matter how civilized we think we are, there is only a very thin veneer of civilization between life as we know it and total breakdown of society (AKA, after Katrina life in the Superdome).
It is my responsibility to protect myself and my family, and I take my responsibilities VERY seriously.

PS. This is civilized China – Customs officials intercept 17,000 pills filled with powdered baby flesh from China. There is evil in the world. That may not be happening here, yet, but there are discussions from the intelligencia about the propriety of post-birth abortion. Post-birth abortion is another phrase for murdering an infant because it may be ill (or even just unwanted). And yet we live in a civilized society?

Mark Roote

Calling Cards?

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I was reading this post from AP this morning, and I was going to post this in his comments but I decided to keep it separate:

I’ve been thinking lately that we need to have “calling cards” that we all can agree on so that “they” know that whatever just happened wasn’t random. I’m thinking a simple phrase or word and/or image that can be printed on business card stock out of any printer on the planet and left where it will be found.
I’m not talking about killing anyone, but the other acts of resistance… vandalism or whatever.
Say someone were to cut the valve stems off of all of the squad car tires outside the donut shop, then they leave one of these cards under the wiper blade or something.

Do we want to use the “Resist” Image of the III?
III Resist

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Indeed, I want them to wonder how much we will tolerate before they have to start worrying, “when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?”

What do you think their meetings will be like when someone stands up and admits that his tires were deflated, or somebody stuck a III sticker on his cruiser window while he was supposed to be paying attention? Simple vandalism is one of the greatest tools of psyops, in my unprofessional (and uneducated in these things) opinion. For example, when I was in AIT and my battle buddy and I were on a 4 hour pass we stumbled across a toy store and picked up several bags of those little green army men. We wrote the countdown (to graduation) on the bottom and made a game out of sneaking them into the CQ sign in and placing them where they couldn’t be missed, but not getting caught. We had to recruit a couple friends to help us do this, but it drove the Drill Sergeants nuts. They couldn’t catch us. They raided the barracks, but we were warned because one of us overheard them talking about it. That night, we made sure that everyone had one on their boots (even the females got them, we recruited some of them too) when the raid happened so they couldn’t isolate anyone for having one in their possession. Again, it drove them absolutely crazy. They began to literally stand there watching everyone sign in for duty and watching every move we made while in the room… we still managed to leave them right under their noses without getting caught. They spent more time trying to catch us than they did watching tv when they were on night duty. We made it 48 days (to graduation) and were never caught. At the end, we presented Senior Drill with a plaque that identified everyone involved. I know for a fact this drove them all nuts because years later at JRTC I ran into one of my former Drill Sergeants and we talked about it. He admitted that they were all desperately trying to figure it out because they were all going nuts over it (he also admitted that it did make the trail more enjoyable for them all after it was over).

Anyway, we need to get in their heads everywhere. Let us start to actively resist. Force them to step it up (or, God willing, step it back). Keep harassing them, but make sure they know they are being harassed.

Any thoughts about that?

Declaration of War

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I just sent this to Tom Marino’s (PA 10th) legislative director:

Drew
Justify to me how Tom voted yes on the bill that allows capture and indefinite detention of American citizens captured on American soil without the benefit of any trial.
I am not asking for this, I am demanding it… Agreeing to this bill is a Declaration of War on the People of the United States.
You can try to claim that there are provisions that protect citizens, but before you tell me that; define a terrorist and explain to me how any TEA Party member, extreme couponer or Mormon couldn’t fit into the loose definition of ‘terrorist’ in this bill.

There is a very slim chance that you can convince me that this act cannot be abused now by the obama administration or in the future by any other administration.

I understand that it was included in the DOD appropriations bill, but it would have been better to vote no and defund the military than to allow this evil through. And this is coming from someone that has a LOT of friends currently serving overseas in combat zones. I do not make this statement lightly. It would be better to bring them and all of our equipment home than to pass this bill. So, claiming that he “had” to pass the bill to “take care of our troops” is a bullshit answer. That is NO reason to declare war on the People of this country.

I cannot stress this enough. The House and the Senate have declared war on We The People and the president is expected to sign it tomorrow. He has already said that he would not veto it. Do you fucking idiots have any god damned idea what you are fucking with. I personally fit into several of the “suspected terrorist” categories. When the government decides to come and get me, PEOPLE WILL DIE. Yes, I will most likely be one of them, but I will not be the only one. You fucking idiots are playing with a flamethrower in a fucking magazine and expecting life to go on. Do you have any idea what Tom and the other 283 congressmen have just done?

There is a saying in my line of work. I work in Industrial Safety, specifically in mitigating the chances of a dust explosion. Basically there are 4 things you need for an explosion to occur: 1) Enclosure 2) Fuel 3) Oxygen and 4) Spark. The saying is that ignition is free. You can do a very good job of reducing the risks of the first three, but ignition is free. What that means is that any little thing, the tiniest piece of scrap from an operation picked up and blown through the system until it contacts a ferrous metal will set it off. I was just told about an incident at a plant. The plant did everything they could to eliminate all hazards, and they did a very good job. But one day, someone was smoking outside in the parking lot and flicked the butt. A pigeon picked it up and flew into the warehouse, then got too close to a vacuum line and the butt got sucked in. An explosion occurred. It never should have, they did everything they could to prevent it, but the spark was free.
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Now, having said that, the government has created the first three conditions and now you’re playing with matches.

Tom, and everyone else that passed this bill will be held responsible when the civil war that you have just declared on the population explodes.

So, again, tell me where I’m wrong. I will be very surprised if you can convince me I am wrong, but I do have an open mind. And if you can convince me I will share that with the people I know.

If you can’t convince me, congratulations on starting the next civil war. Are you prepared for it?

Mark Roote

I’ll let you all know if I get an answer. Prior to this, Drew and I have been in irregular conversations regarding Fast & Furious and some other things. It was enough that I am confident he will recognize my name. Up til today I had respect for Tom, I can almost guarantee that respect is gone.

More ‘Only Ones’ Protection

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Are you OK with this?

(Thanks to David)

If my employer can record anything I do on their property and on their dime, why the hell do the police think they are special (don’t answer that, they’re all arrogant assholes). Well, the police are OUR employees, they need to be forced to answer to US for the crimes they commit.

The police (and ALL government employees) have absolutely NO reasonable expectation of privacy while on the clock. Since more and more police are showing themselves to be criminals, usually violent ones, I’ll be damned if I’m going to have any unrecorded interaction with them… whether I have their “permission” or not. I don’t trust them. It’s that simple.

Let’s face it, there was a time when people with a badge were respected and usually told the truth. It was easier to believe they were being honest because the people they arrested were usually criminals. Unfortunately that is no longer true. I am more inclined to believe the perp than I am to believe the badge these days. The bad part is, most juries will still believe the badge, which is why I intent to have a recording to back me up. I try not to lie, I want the proof of that.

On a similar note, what about making a button to wear on your hat or shirt that says “This conversation is being recorded for training purposes”? (Kinda like when you call most businesses)
I am making it habit to never leave the house without at least my digital audio recorder running. If nothing happens, I just delete the file, but if anything does happen I have the recording. We shouldn’t need it, but this could be our disclaimer to the police… ie, “This conversation is being recorded, if you don’t want to be recorded, walk away”. If I have time, or know in advance that I’m likely walking into trouble, I have my iPhone set up to do a live stream to YouTube (thanks to qik.com). I used this feature while in Philly in November 2010.

Before I proceed further:
I decided to call his office before completing this post so I could relay the conversation and the lady that answered the phone said that the case was dismissed. I have since sent the following email to the Circuit Clerk’s office:

A video that played on the news back in September is being circulated on
the internet and generating some anger (I am one of those angered by it).
This video is about Michael Allison’s case, he was charged 5 times for
recording the police. When I called Mr. Wiseman’s office to voice my
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I would appreciate a prompt response (since news travels fast on the
internet)

Thank you,
Mark Roote

I’ll update this post if/when I get a response.

UPDATE 16:55
I got a response from the Circuit Clerk’s office:

The case was declared Unconstitutional on September 15, 2011. They State’s
Attorney and Attorney General’s Office has appealed it to the Supreme Court.

So, it would seem that the Judge had some sense, but the State’s Attorney (Wiseman) and the Attorney General need a wake up call.

Give em Hell, folks.

Just called my Senator’s office

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I just called Senator Toomey’s office in DC and pretty much got the response I expected. The phone call went pretty much as follows:
Toomey’s Assistant (TA): “Senator Toomey’s office”
Me: “I need some information on the Defense Bill that just passed”
TA: “What information do you need?”
Me: “If I read this thing correctly, an amendment was included that allows the military to arrest and detain an American citizen on American soil indefinitely without any form of trial… Is this true?”
TA: “Please hold”
Me: *twiddles my thumbs*
TA: “There were 2 amendments that talked about this (he gave me numbers, but I didn’t write them down), and American citizens are specifically exempted”
Me: “Yeah, I read that, but that’s not what it said, it said American citizens were exempted UNLESS they were affiliated with Al Qaeda or a similar organization.”
TA: “I’ll let the senator know that you’re disappointed with his vote on…” (I cut him off)
Me: “You may want to phrase it a bit more strongly than disappointed, because if what I understand is true, he has just declared war on every American citizen”
TA: “That’s not what that means…” (I cut him off again)
Me: “Oh? What does it mean then? Who defines what a similar organization is?”
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Me: “OK, so, if American soil has been declared part of the battlefield and the military can detain any American citizen at the whim of any President or military member for an indefinite period of time with no trial or anything, what do you call it? I call that a declaration of war against every American Citizen, and I don’t take that declaration lightly. If that is not the case, then the Senator needs to come out loud and clear and say that’s not what is in the bill and have the proof to back that up.”
TA: “Uh, um, thank you for your call.”
Me: “I’ll be looking forward to the Senators response”

Note, he never asked for my name, and I never gave it, nor did I give a phone number or anything else… he never asked since we went straight to the meat of the issue. Also note, he never told me that I was wrong about what it said after the American Citizens are exempt.
This is not an exact transcript of the conversation as I haven’t figured out how to record phone calls on my iphone yet (does anyone know how to do that?)

I won’t waste my time calling Casey’s office as I already know that he is a progressive jackass and not worth my time. He will not be returning to office after 2012 (if we make it that far), so we just have to put up with him for now.

UPDATE:
Petition to Impeach Every Senator Who Voted for “U.S. is a Battlefield Bill”

Another update on the Fair incident

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OK, I got an answer on carry on the fairgrounds (Updated here). Here’s the email chain that followed that update.

I will be happy to provide you with a copy as soon as I am able. Please provide a mailing address. I am disappointed that you will not be attending any future fairs. The goal of the fair is to provide a fun and safe environment for all. I would ask that you take a moment to consider that we have to run the fair as a business and therefore, must take into consideration the comfort and safety of our patrons or they will be less likely to attend. We do not wish for our fair to be a forum for second amendment rights, but rather a palce for locals to come for some family fun. I can assure you that the gates will be more clearly posted in the future. We make evry effort to be reasonable and accomodating. If you have any further questions, feel free to e-mail me. Here is another quote for you…from All in the Family (1968)
Gloria: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by
guns?
Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?
Regards,
Mike

Well, after I got that, I replied with this:

My mailing address is:
blah blah blah

The quote from All in the Family is cute, but did you (or they) consider the criminal and not the tool? Archie’s answer is very apt. A murderer is going to find a way to do what he’s going to do whether it’s with a gun or a multi-story shove out a window.
As for myself and my family attending the fair, that will not happen until your policy changes. My and my family’s safety is more important to me than someone else’s fear of the unknown.
I will not make further comments about my right to self defense, I would just like to ask you one further question: Do you believe in CPR?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLrN9UjGTwk&feature=share

The I got this:

You and Archie are right on point…the criminal will do what he wants with or without the gun. My point is to make the folks at the fair feel safe.
You probably aren’t aware, as most people are not, that this past fair a teen won or bought a soft pellet rifle that resembled an AR-15. As he was loading pellets into it in the parking lot, several families saw him. Not knowing it was a toy, they pressed the panic button and called 911. That set off a chain of events, that while unfounded, caused a reaction by law enforcement and panic among patrons in the parking lot. Thankfully, it was quickly resolved by our “thugs” and the State Police etc. were called off. My point is that most threats are perceived and perception is reality. That incident had the potential to cause chaos. Thankfully, it did not. I hope that someday, you are able to look at this from a slightly different perspective.
In regards to what you may think of me and my personal views, don’t make any assumptions. The reality is, I am obligated to the fair and fairgoers and must put my personal beliefs aside in order to have a successful fair. And yes, I am willing to do that to keep the fair going for the next generation to enjoy. Thanks.
Mike

So I replied with this:

If I saw someone loading what appeared to be an ar15 in the parking lot I would alert the authorities as well. That is a different subject entirely.
I prefer to actually be safe rather than *feel* safe. There is a significant difference there.
As to the thugs comment. I have had past experiences with those two specific individuals that confronted me, and they are thugs with badges, they are most definitely not peace officers. I have also had other confrontations, started by people with badges, because they want to make up the rules as they go, and that is unacceptable. The rules are (or should be) clearly defined for a reason. My open carrying is not illegal (with the standard exceptions such as when a property owner doesn’t allow it), but because the thugs with badges want to be the only ones with guns, they threaten me (and others) with arrest and sometimes worse.
If you want people to feel safe, allow them to actually be safe, don’t force them to rely on someone with a badge that may be nearby, that will respond too slow to be of any real assistance and statistically does more collateral damage than a private citizen with a gun (citizens are held accountable, “officials” almost never are).
Feeling safe falls in the same category as giving every player a trophy, even when when they suck. It does nothing of substance for anyone.
The reason I make assumptions about your philosophy is because if you are willing set aside your values for one thing, do you actually hold true to anything? If you truly believed in the right to self defense, you would go in front of the board (or whatever) and vote your conscience, not assume that all people are children.
I have been open carrying for a few years now, and I can honestly tell you that the only people that have ever given me a problem about it are the ones with the badges. Most people don’t even notice, and of the few that do, they typically ask if it’s legal because they didn’t know. I have not once had someone call the police to report a man with a gun. Not once.
Treat people like responsible adults and you might be surprised by the result.

Did anyone at the fair report a man with a gun? (other than the kid loading his airsoft rifle). Did you get any complaints about me? Why do you automatically assume people are going to act like children?

And he answered with this:

You make very good points. Maybe a coffee some day. I will mail you new rules once adopted. I understand your point of view. I am simply looking out for the best interest of the fair. I hate to see you angry with us. If you have any more questions or problems, please email me.

Regards,
Mike

And I had to answer that one too:
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In all honesty, I am not angry that your policy is to not allow firearms. There is no point in getting angry about that. I simply will not give the fair my business. You have your policy, I have mine.
What did bother me was:
a) the orange shirts attitude
b) the fact that no one I spoke to seemed to know what the actual policy was (including “security”)
c) the policy is not clearly posted anywhere
d) the fact that a month after I sent the initial email I still hadn’t received a response
e) the first response that I did finally get, was the one from George. Spelling and grammar errors aside, that’s a hell of an attitude to give someone for asking for an official policy with background history so you know why the request was made in the first place

Again, I’m not mad about the policy. But, I do feel it is my duty to make sure that the public is aware that the fairgrounds are a victim disarmament zone.

Call it what you like, but by making it a gun-free zone you are turning everyone that enters into a victim. I do not want to see a murderer go on a killing spree there ever, I’m related to a lot of people that go to the fair, but if it does happen a lot of innocent people will die because you have knowingly turned them all into victims.

This may sound like a harsh accusation, but it is the truth. By creating a gun-free zone you are creating tens of thousands of law abiding victims or turning people into criminals for not trusting your hired help with their own lives. And to make matters worse, if I, as a license holder, knowingly violate your no guns policy it’s a felony (making me a prohibited person) whereas if someone without a license carries a gun there it’s a misdemeanor. Who is more likely to ignore your signs? The person with the training and knowledge to use the weapon responsibly or the person who does it cause he thinks it’s cool?

No, I’m not angry about the policy, I’m just disappointed. Oh, by the way, I have openly carried at the Luzerne County Fair without incident, and I would expect more paranoid city folk there than at Wyoming County.

And that supposedly ended the chain of emails… but something was bothering me, so I did some research and sent him this:

Hello again, this is not to beat the firearms on fair property issue any further. That quote you sent me from All in the Family just didn’t feel right, that whole “60% of all deaths in America caused by guns thing”. Since it didn’t sound right to me, I decided to do some research. I didn’t find any real numbers for 1968 in my brief search, but judging by what I did find, I don’t believe that 60% thing. Here’s what I did find:

From the CDC for 2007 – firearms don’t make the top 5 list, but the top 5 list makes up over 64% of all deaths.

From another source that claims to have compiled his statistics from data reported by the
National Vital Statistics Report, Vol. 50, No. 15, September 16, 2002 – Firearms are the number 10 in the top 10 with 1.2% of all deaths (note that this 1.2% includes homicide, self-defense and police shootings)

I tried searching the CDC for more current numbers, but I don’t have that kind of time right now. I did however note a blurb in one of the CDC articles that in 1968, 55% of all injury related deaths were caused by motor-vehicles and firearms. That’s not quite the 60% of all deaths statistic that she quoted.

Also, here’s a couple more statistics for you:

From the CDC, Assault or Homicide (page last updated September 6th, 2011), All homicides are ranked 15th in the cause of death category, which is 6.1 deaths per 100,000 population. Of that 6.1 per 100k, firearms homicides were 4.2 per 100,000.

So, using these numbers, yes, guns are used in crime a lot. However, the amount of firearms related deaths is really a very small percentage of total deaths in America. But, while we’re looking at these numbers, let’s take a look at some other numbers. How about the numbers for areas with very restrictive gun laws (that means there are no guns in law abiding citizens hands, right?)

New York City: from 2003-2011, there were 4,161 homicides. An average of 494 per year. Of those, Firearms are 69%. Granted, I didn’t see what these numbers equal per 100,000, but I know New York is higher than average in homicide rates.

Washington, DC: Of the 132 reported homicides in the District in 2010, firearms were used in 99 of them, or approximately 75 percent. Nationally, firearms were used in 67.5 percent of homicides in 2010, the FBI reported.

I don’t have time to continue this topic right now, but I would recommend checking the facts before you try to make an argument using statistics.
Mark

I have not received a response to that one yet, and I really don’t expect to. But no matter. Once I get the official policy I will be buying an ad in the local paper (I’m open to suggestions for wording the ad). I also plan on buying an ad every week for the month leading up to the fair, but we’ll see how finances work out then. Worst case, I’ll make a sign and stand out next to the road during the fair. Something along the lines of “Warning, you are entering a no self-defense zone”. I’ve got some time to think about what my sign should read (I’m open to suggestions there too).
I’ll keep everyone posted on this.

Another request for the “Second Front”

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I just fired this email off to my Representative’s legislative director (I met him and got his direct contact info when I was there in February to “introduce” my Rep to Project Gunwalker.

It’s been a while since I’ve sent you any updates on F&F, but I’m sure you’re aware that the scandal just keeps growing. Well, the folks responsible for breaking this open (Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea) are asking for assistance getting the second (and third?) “fronts” opened up on it. I believe Rep Marino can have a direct impact on the actions discussed in one of Mike’s latest columns – A Message From Sipsey Street Irregulars to the Gun Rights Policy Conference.
I/we appreciate Rep Marino’s assistance getting this to Rep Smith and then to Rep Issa after my meeting with both of you back in February, but it is time to “step it up”. There have been enough facts come out that it is possible to open additional fronts into the investigations. Since Rep Marino is on both the Committee on Homeland Security and the Committee on Judiciary, I believe it is time for him to review the progression of this scandal (Journalists Guide to Project Gunwalker, start with page one and continue through the rest). Why did the FBI “disappear” a third weapon from the Terry murder scene? What were they trying to hide? Why did the FBI tamper with the NICS background check system to allow known criminals to purchase firearms? Consider the implications this case has on our relationship with Mexico (with an eye on ITAR regulations).
Please, consider moving this on to the next stages. Open more investigations alongside Rep Issa and Senator Grassley. There are enough crimes tied in to this scandal that you can all stay busy for a while.

Thanks,
Mark Roote
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After I sent it to my rep, I decided to send a letter to every representative on the Committee on Homeland Security and the Committee on Judiciary. This is that letter in case anyone wants to send it:
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Dear Committee on Homeland Security/Judiciary Member,
I’m sure by now that you’ve heard of Operation Fast and Furious. This is the ATF/FBI/DEA/DOJ/State/etc operation that walked thousands of firearms to Mexico’s most violent criminals. This operation, under the supposed authority of the ATF, allowed known criminals to purchase weapons (the FBI tampered with the NICS background check system to allow these criminals a pass). As it turns out, the DEA and other agencies were actually paying several of these straw purchasers as informants. So, essentially, our “law enforcement” agencies paid criminals to purchase and transport weapons to violent criminals in Mexico. There are way too many violations of law for me to list, but for a thorough background on what is currently known, go read A Journalists Guide to Project Gunwalker. There is a very thorough timeline of discoveries there, but don’t skip any pages. Start with page 1 and read through all 6 pages. Then, when you get done with that, talk to Rep Issa and see what info he can share and what actions you can take to begin your own investigations. There are plenty of topics for you to consider, like: Why did the FBI “disappear” a third weapon from the Terry murder scene? What were they trying to hide? Why did the FBI tamper with the NICS background check system to allow known criminals to purchase firearms? What implications does this case have on our relationship with Mexico (what about ITAR regulations?).
For a good starting point at opening multiple investigations, look at A Message From Sipsey Street Irregulars to the Gun Rights Policy Conference.
I have sent this same letter to every member of the Committee on Homeland Security and the Committee on Judiciary. This scandal is an affront to ALL Americans and Mexicans. This administration is aiding in the murder of innocent people by Operation Fast & Furious and all the other operations like it (Houston, Florida, Illinois, etc). How would you feel if your family member was murdered by a gun bought with US tax dollars in a “legal” sale allowed to go through with the assistance of the FBI (because the purchaser was a known felon and couldn’t pass the NICS check on his own) and trafficked under the watchful eye of the ATF?
Please, begin your investigations into this scandal and bring justice to all that deserve it.
Sincerely,
Mark Roote

OK, It’s taking a long time to send it to all of them since I have to make up an address in their district, so I’m focusing on Homeland Security first, then Judiciary later.

Can we get them to PA?

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We’ve seen the video about the armed civil disobedience to the mayor in Ruidoso, NM

Verbal shots fired in Ruidoso gunfight: krqe.com

David and Mike both showed me that, but what can we do to get some outside help in Williamsport? I posted about this a few days ago and I had intended to go down for the “next” meeting, but it was actually last night and I had bought the concert tickets a while ago (I wish I had skipped the concert), but here are the current videos in case you haven’t heard about it yet:
Round 1, August 16, 2011

Round 2, September 1, 2011

Round 3, September 15, 2011
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These are blatant 1st and 2nd Amendment violations occurring in Williamsport, serious help is needed here. What can we do about it?

If you have ideas, you can contact me and I will do my best to pass them on to the folks taking the lead on this, but I’m a bit busy these days so your best bet is contacting “pistolpackintim” on YouTube. I will continue following this story and I will try to attend future occurrences, but I can’t make promises right now.

Any help available?

Update I wanted to listen to it before I posted it, but Tim was on the radio about this too:

My submission to the president’s new snitch site

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Actually, this is my second submission, my first one was a direct copy of Billy Beck’s submission (thanks CA).
So, my submission is as follows:

If you read through the Journalists guide to ‘Project Gunwalker’ (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/a-journalist-s-guide-to-project-gunwalker), and you have to read all of the links on all 6 of the pages in the guide to see all of the facts, there are allegations that Obama’s senior staff were aware of, and even approved of, this operation to ‘walk’ guns into the hands of violent criminals. Well, if the senior White House staff was aware, then Obama had to be aware, right? If Obama was aware, not only will it affect his re-election, but it could get him impeached.

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I seriously doubt I’ll get a response, and even if I do it won’t be an “offical” response (can’t lock him down on a statement, ya know?) But hey, can’t hurt to try.

PS, David & Mike, sorry I had to submit you to that site, but I wanted to make sure they had the opportunity to read the facts you have already presented before they write their denial.